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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 18, 2010 6:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Phish?

Try as I have, and I have tried. I can't find anything even remotely entertaining about the music of Phish. Everything sounds exactly the same to me, and none of it any good. It's very repetitive and completely souless. Trey seems like a flake as well.

Someone make this funny clip, which is exactly what Phish sounds like to me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNHIFM0Y87c

Agree?

Disagree?

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Poster: Hal R Date: Oct 19, 2010 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I enjoy them, they move my spirit at times, they are fun to dance to and easy to get goofy and silly to. I was really happy they were around after Jerry passed away. The music filled a void for me. They are more in the Zappa mode though, than the Dead mode. I have seen them several times and had a great time, though it is not really my crowd or my band like the Grateful Dead crowd and band or Allman Brothers are. Man, I just feel that GD fans are often way too serious about the whole thing. I haven't heard as many Phish shows as Dead shows, but they don't seem to have the terrible shows that the Dead have had many a time. Variety is the spice of life. The Dead move my soul, Phish puts me in a happy space and Umphrey's McGhee may just blow them both away.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 19, 2010 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

"I haven't heard as many Phish shows as Dead shows, but they don't seem to have the terrible shows that the Dead have had many a time"

That's because a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, as they say. And GD definitely had its fair share of weak links over the years.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 19, 2010 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I don't listen to them at home, pretty much ever. And if i do it's maybe one song with a good groove like " heavy things"

BUT the 3 or 4 or so times I saw them at Red Rocks I didn't have to try and be entertained. They're a very skilled band that throws in all sorts of twists and turns. They put forth a three hour show or so with lots thrown in which is definitely getting your money's worth.I agree they're completely lacking in soul, pretty much every band that " jams" is that I know of which makes it even more depressing how I'm constantly being reminded there'll never be another Grateful Dead, at least not in my lifetime. But what are the live alternatives really? Not many imo.I doubt I'd go again because of the lame crowds ( not that I'll have the opportunity up here )but still not too many people beat their level of being interesting imo.

And come on - a band that plays two full sets PLUS a full set of a classic album respectfully played deserves respect even if you don't like them don't you think?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 18, 2010 7:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I don't think I know any Phish tunes, but I can say that I think Mike Gordon is a fine bass player. He's not Jack Bruce, but I like what I've heard solo and with Leo K. Not much, but enough to appreciate he knows what he's doing. Not sure if that translates to his Phish efforts.

Second, and please forgive the complete ignorance, but in the 90s my kids told me Phish and BlTrav were somewhat similar. Have no clue if this is/was true; somehow I've heard a fair bit of BT, and them, I like...at least the lg harmonica playing fellow, JPopper. Not going to replace CREAM for me, but a decent sounding band on some songs I know.

As usual, deflecting a post with 85% nonsense, but there you have it...I do have to get out more.

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Poster: truckin52073 Date: Oct 19, 2010 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

These are both bands that I've enjoyed immensely over the years and have probably missed out on a lot of good music in my pursuit for the ultimate jam. I usually go on two to three month jags with each band where I listen to nothing but. I've heard the comparisons to the Dead and I just don't see it. The only time I've ever heard anything by fish that sounds like the Dead is the jam out of Comes a Time from 7/17/76. That said, I think as a whole Phish are technically better musicians and have more in common with Zappa than they do the Dead. The only other comparison I can find is the stinky hordes that follow both bands. Is there a link between bad hygene and auditory perception? I digress...When people ask me I tell them that Phish is music for the mind and the Dead is music for the soul. I don't see why I can't like cheese cake and apple pie. But that's just my two cents.

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Poster: Dead Surfer Date: Oct 19, 2010 12:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I've seen them live twice in 92 but couldn't get into the music. The music is weird in a way. Not bad just very different to the usual bands or music I listen to. I think it's not for everyone. I gave up after two try's and a friend gave me some quality soundboard tapes I gave away also.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Oct 19, 2010 5:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

OK, well you tried.
I listen to the Dead more, but Phish is easily my second favorite band.
They're influenced by prog rock and arena rock, and carry a more postmodern sensibility (the trampolines, etc. can be read as deconstructions of typical rock shows). They did, after all, form nearly 20 years after the Dead. That is to say, they are an entirely different animal than the Dead, with a different approach to jamming and to song writing, and a very different cultural context that galvanized their musical paradigm. Their instrumental ability and commitment to their craft is, I think, beyond reproach, but nothing says you have to like it. In the interest of full disclosure, the music of several Grateful Dead "peers" (Jefferson Airplane, Neil Young, NRPS) doesn't do much for me. They're very good and I get what they bring to the table, but I don't actually like it much. No big deal.

The one thing I think is silly, though, is for any deadhead to criticize another band's singing and harmonizing. Seriously? Let he who always sings on key cast the first stone. Maybe you like Jerry's more emotive delivery or Bob's rocker approach better, but I don't think any of us listen to Dead shows for the sweet vocal harmonies.

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Oct 19, 2010 9:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

They are nice guys, I've worked with them, hung out with them, but I can't stand their fans. Ruins the shows for me. I only saw one show and that was more than enough, plus I don't get their music.




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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 18, 2010 10:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I am not a fan , though I have seen them 10ish times , all in the 80's . I have not seen them since , but people have tried .
I will say that Page McConnell on keys is an amazing musician .
His work in PnF is one of the high points for post - Garcia music .

edit - I have McConnell and Richard Wright somehow stuck in my head together . To musicians or those that know , was there any commonalities ?



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Poster: advokat Date: Oct 18, 2010 8:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

Fine musicians, one and all, but their music fails to move me - do like Trey just fine in Oysterhead.

I am advokat (by night) and I approve this thread:

http://www.archive.org/post/321882/phish-doing-the-deaduh-oh

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 18, 2010 10:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

And to advokat ,
is it the whole Jekyll and Hyde deal with the , " I am advokat ( by night ).." ?
Or only parts ?
Where all your fundamental elements can not be leached out , such as your love for D.B.D.M.B.B ?
Or are you so far gone as the advokat , that it's all fair game then ?
I wonder .... any warrants for a certain Mr. advokat ( who goes by night ) in the C. Republic ..Hmmm .... ?

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 18, 2010 7:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I enjoy Phish. My uncle gave me a tape in the early 90's. Saw them at San Jose State University and a few other, larger venues.

The video was funny. I like the vocals best.

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Poster: mmw12207 Date: Oct 20, 2010 6:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I don't know why anyone ever compares The Grateful Dead and Phish. They are two completely different bands. They have totally different backgrounds and points of reference for song writing and are from totally different generations. The only, yes only, similarity is that they improvise on their arrangements and the same could be said for any number of bands in all kinds of styles.

That being said. They are my two favorite bands.

When I want soulfulness and good song writing or some nice spacey psychedlia (ie Dark Star, The Other One, etc.) I listen to the Grateful Dead...

When I want to listen to tightly composed longer pieces with turn on a dime jams that set moods and grooves, get a little more out there technically (odd time signatures and key changes), are a little heavier and add in some funk...then I listen to Phish...

I am 28 going on 29..I listen to more Dead the older I get but it doesn't make me like Phish any less...

ps. I'm really glad I never saw the Dead..While I love the band I am convinced they lost what I love about then about a year or two after Brent joined the band. If I had ben alive in the 70s I would have spent every night I could have with the Dead

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Poster: Hal R Date: Oct 20, 2010 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

"ps. I'm really glad I never saw the Dead." ? The first time I have ever seen something like that from a fan. "There is nothing like a Grateful Dead Concert" -every
Deadhead that ever went to a show. Sorry you missed the magic show at the circus.

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Poster: chinacat_ryder Date: Oct 20, 2010 3:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

Wow, that's amazing to hear someone is glad they didn't see the Dead. I saw the second to last show and it only made me want to see more and more shows. I will love the Dead until the day I die.

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Poster: mmw12207 Date: Oct 21, 2010 5:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I'm glad I never saw the Dead during my lifetime...by the time I was at an age that I would have even been allowed to see them Jerry was almost dead and the setlists and playing were weak sauce...I love the Grateful Dead but one thing I don't like about their fans is that a lot of Deadheads are unable to admit that the Dead played a ton of really, really bad shows, especially throughout the mid-late 80s and 92-95 (when I would have been old enough to see them and know what I was seeing)...they barely wrote any new songs, the ones they did were, for the most part, not that good, and they played tons and tons of covers taht didn't suit the band at all...plus we can't forget the weak Bobby slide..he was so nasty in the 70s I could never figure out why he did that.

I've actually said to friends on numerous occasions that if I had one trip back in time a 1972-75 Grateful Dead show would be very high on the list of places I'd choose to go back to but I don't see why I would want to ruin my image of a great band by seeing them at their worst. That was the point I was trying to make.

Still one of my favorite bands and the only band I listen to every day.

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Poster: Daddy D Date: Oct 23, 2010 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

Well, that video was some funny stuff. As I've previously stated elsewhere, I think they're talented musicians, but their music is so quirky & nonsensical that I just can't take it seriously. Jumping up & down on trampolines, playing a vacuum with your mouth, wearing a dress all the time . . . what kind of shtick is that?

Generally-speaking I think what it comes down to is that the over-40 crowd, &/or those who saw lots of pre 90s Dead shows, just aren't impressed because most other bands (Phish included) pale in comparison. Plus most of us probably aren't doing a lot of psychedelics anymore, so there's that, too. I'm willing to guess if I took the right amount / mixture of whatever, and went to a Phish show, I'd have a good time. However, since that's not likely to happen, I'll probably never understand the mania for Phish. Truth be told I bet they (the band members themselves) are as surprised as the rest of us at how big they've gotten.

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 23, 2010 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I really like Phish and ABB. However, when it comes to listening to these bands at home, they don't compare to The Grateful Dead. A GD show has contrast. Highs and lows, darkness and light, joy and sorrow.

Phish and ABB shows tend to wear on the palate. The GD had the unique ability to cleanse the palate at just right moment.

That said, Ive seen both ABB and Phish live many times. When you are out for a show and "ready to rock", they are just what the Doc ordered.



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Poster: ChefChappy Date: Oct 19, 2010 5:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I agree with most here. Phish doesn't do it for me but I do have to say that some of my students gave me the album Slip, Stitch and Pass about 10 years ago and I still pop it in every once in a while. It is everything I wish Phish would be, but aren't. The music is very tight and more bluesy than anything else I've heard. After getting the album I went to 2 shows around 97 or 98 and found nothing similiar to what I heard on that album and haven't seen them since. My students are always giving me music to listen too....most of it I don't like!

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Oct 18, 2010 8:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

Agree - I listened to their version of The White Album performed on Halloween one year and was shocked and appalled at the poor singing and ratty half-assed performing and I just do not understand the buzz behind the whole scene...

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 18, 2010 8:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

The old lady has been ragging me to take her out to Atlantic City to see Phish play other people's stuff on Halloween, but I am adamant we are going to see String Cheese Incident in Hampton, VA.

I will win this battle.

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Poster: waynecs Date: Oct 19, 2010 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I like 'em.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Oct 19, 2010 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

Phish is an interesting, intriguing, and fun band, but your "soulless" comment rings true . Their songwriting can be clever, but rarely moving . To be honest, they are more technically proficient, than the Dead ever were, but for me, I just don't listen to them that often . I think Trey is an outstanding guitar player , I think I like him more than any of the folks that have taken the Garcia chair, in the post Jerry bands . The 3 early Phil shows he did with Trey and Page ( 4-15,16.17.-99) show what they can do with some GREAT material . I also like Trey's playing with the P+Fs 06 shows .
I salute them , admire them , but really love them .

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Poster: buck78 Date: Oct 18, 2010 9:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I've seen phish 8 times, but I've certainly grew out of their music. I'm probably younger than most of you (32), but I've learned to appreciate good songwriting. Phish ain't got that, and neither does pretty much any other "jam" band. Sure, they play and sing well most of the time, but I've never heard them play a song that has any significance. For me, bands like the Drive-by Truckers, the Cardinals, and Wilco carry on the characteristics that the Dead possessed: Great songwriting skills as well as great playing.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 18, 2010 10:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

ouch, that vid is likely to offend some phish heads haha!

well i'm not going to get into the defensive rant thing TOO much, but i personally enjoy phish a lot. caught a show in '04 (my first) and a few on the comeback tour last year and this year and i very much enjoyed it.

when i first discovered Phish and the whole 'jam band' thing, i listened to them incessantly, like they were the last band on earth. i'm pretty sure i listened to Junta on a regular basis (almost every day) for over a year.

nowadays i just find myself listening to The Dead far more. i think it has to do with a number of factors (i.e. the variety of different years, availability and number of shows, etc., and just plain getting TIRED of Phish!) but if i had to be completely candid with myself i think The Dead are just better! its one of those things that's hard to put your finger on...explaining to someone exactly WHY you like a certain kind of music is not easy...but i guess it would be easier to explain why i just don't think phish is as good.

i completely sympathize with cliff's argument that they are repetitive in a sense, and personally i think it has a lot to do with the rigidity of many of their song's structures. many of Phish's early complicated pieces like Divided Sky and Slave to the Traffic Light just don't seem to have much room for jamming. its almost like listening to a bunch of Terrapins in a row...booooring. you can hear a big difference in the band's sound during there late '96-99 funk period where the song arrangements are looser and they open up a lot more. but even these jams don't do it for me quite like the best Dead jams.

Trey has a lot of energy and precision to his playing, but he just doesn't have half the creativity or soul of Garcia (something that we've all drilled home on here a lot i'm sure) and that might just be the big one for me. that and Page can suck even more soul out of their jams sometimes; his style just has a lot of harshness to it.

maybe i'm just burnt out on this band and haven't spent nearly as much time listening to their shows as the Dead, so i'm probably sounding like a bit of a newb to any Phish heads out there, but that's just my $0.02. i don't mean this to be all negative, either, i really like both bands a lot, but these are just some of the 'kicker' factors for me.

ok, rant over.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Oct 19, 2010 8:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

I too have tried and while I am a fan of their early material, they just got too weird for weirdness' sake in the late 90s through their break. I'm sure Anastasio's chemical problems had a lot to do with it, but the whole band was just mailing it in the last couple of years - despite their evident individual talent.

I've heard mixed reviews coming out of the new tours - I didn't go to any of the Hampton shows, but after listening to SBDs from the shows I have to admit that I should have and I probably would have enjoyed them. I'll go see them if a ticket falls into my lap, but I think we are in different places now and they get filed on the shelf along with my Outlaws albums.

Now Hulaween with String Cheese Incident at Hampton is going to be an entirely different affair - despite the fact that the Disco Crickets are opening both nights.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 19, 2010 9:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

What I find rather interesting, are all the silly gimicks the band resorted to...

I know interaction with the crowd is fun, but can you picture Jerry teasing the Simpsons theme song in order to get the crowd to respond? Ramrod or Parrish sending beach balls onto the floor at the Hampton Coliseum? How about the Grateful Dead members switching instruments (I know they did thid once). Why didn't the Grateful Dead think of performing entire Beatles albums at shows? Sounds like Phish got bored...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Oct 18, 2010 7:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

i've never listened, and do not plan on doing so; however, i pretty much loathe 'jam' bands and the whole 'jam band' scene, so it's less to do with Phish, and more to do with the overall approach i take to my music listening habits; not a knock on Phish fans by any means, as i am sure there is much in my music collection that they would find less than appealing sonically speaking

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Poster: deadmax Date: Oct 18, 2010 9:51pm
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I took my pregnant wife to a Phish show in Charlottesville, VA in '94. I was working at JMU in the Special Events Department around LOTS of college students many of whom loved Phish. They knew I liked the Dead so they tried to get me into Phish. They got me tickets so I went to the show. It was really, really, great. I enjoyed the entire night and marveled at how tight they were. Almost like a 1968 Dad show.

They were very polished was the difference. But I remember realizing that they did in every song that I waited an entire Dead show to hear. Maybe. The thing was, I didn't want to see their NEXT show. One was good and I felt I had seen them. Maybe, maybe not. But I'm glad I went and I'm glad I saw them.

I can see why some people want to follow them and know the songs very intimately but I didn't get any feeling from the lyrics like I, and maybe you, got from the Dead. I listened to the albums and couldn't get it.

Still, they are accomplished musicians.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Oct 18, 2010 9:28pm
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They're not for everyone, but I'm a huge Phish fan. They're very close behind the Dead for me, and depending on the day, I'll take Phish over anything else. But then I have my Oak Ridge Boys days, too. Anyone else?

What's cracking me up is how much the defensive/derisive descriptions of Phish in this thread sound very close to indictments and excuses we've all heard in reference to Jerry and company. "You just haven't heard the right stuff." "But it all sounds the same!" "But you haven't heard the right stuff!"

Phish does more with four musicians than any other quartet in the history of live rock music. Period. They can play bluegrass, country, jazz, prog, arena rock, folk rock, reggae, funk, metal, but most of all their own peculiar blend that sounds exactly like nothing else ("Reba," "It's Ice," and "Guyute" all fit this definition from my angle). Should I bring up their covers? Name another band that's willing to cover Rage Against the Machine, Neil Diamond, and Syd Barrett at will. They're goofy and ridiculous, and some of their lyrics are quite silly, but Trey at his best is a compositional genius (listen to "The Divided Sky" if you've never heard it!), and all of them great players. Grab any random show from '94, '95 or '97 and if that doesn't move you somehow, well, give up!

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Poster: JerseyMark Date: Oct 19, 2010 7:58am
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No matter how you slice it, they're still better then Ratdog.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 19, 2010 8:24am
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As is Zamfir...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 19, 2010 8:56am
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LMFAO!

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 19, 2010 9:19am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wv3Ya9nskA&;a=GxdCwVVULXcVV5oow1L_pbUDhhJPvV61&list=ML&playnext=1

Slap a pair of 1981 gym shorts on him and Bob's got some serious competition.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Oct 18, 2010 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

Bought "A Live One" years ago, listened to it one time, well, most of it anyway.
Didn't really care for any of it.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Oct 19, 2010 6:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish? No thanks.

I've listened to a fair amount of Phish trying to figure out what I was missing, and finally figured it out: nothing. The problem for me is that their music just has no "stickiness" to it; i.e., there is no song, or moment, or jam I have ever heard from them that I wanted to hear again. They don't suck, exactly, they're just not very good.
I also agree with some others here who have noted that they seem to lack a certain "soul" factor.

I am willing to concede this might be a generational thing. The majority of Phish fans I know are ten or so years younger than me (I'm almost 44). All I know is that I don't find anything about them impressive, and no amount of insisting that they are awesome and that I haven't heard the right stuff, etc, is going to change the fact that I find them utterly bland and mediocre.

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Poster: pjcenedella Date: Oct 18, 2010 10:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

discuss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aYzmo6JwtU&;feature=related

i, for one, am a phan.

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Poster: 70 blues skadoo Date: Oct 19, 2010 7:16am
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i have very limited listening to phish. i heard them on sirius once and the music rythmically reminded me of the dead. it had a mellow vibe to it, but the tune was destroyed by the guy playing 80s heavy metal noodling all over the place. didnt seem to matter if it fit or not.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffSean_0000001 Date: Oct 27, 2010 10:56pm
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I like both bands, but prefer the Dead. Which is kind of funny, because I'm 20, and I should (according to the stereotype) be more a fan of Phish. I agree with the sentiment that their music is kind of gimmicky, but I also enjoy some of their songs tremendously, such as "Bouncing Around the Room."

In other words, good, but not Dead by any measure.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 19, 2010 7:43am
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Never got them, never will. I hesitate to bash the band or the music, it just leaves me almost annoyed more than anything. The musicianship is definitely there, no doubt, but the songs seem to lack a coherency that can keep my attention for very long. I say the same thing about Les Claypool and his various incarnations: Incredible musician, but the songs just don't grab me.
From what I've seen it is possible that it's an age thing. The folks I know who do like Phish are almost all at least 10-20 years younger than me (this includes some of my son's friends).

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Oct 18, 2010 6:58pm
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ummm, disagree as strenuously as i possibly can. while trey anastasio might or might not be a flake, he's a guitar god, no doubt about it. phish's music is an acquired taste, though. and it benefits from live experience. i don't know, maybe you haven't heard the right stuff, and you've probably never been to a phish show. but soulless and completely unentertaining? that's a little harsh.

and what did they do to earn your harsh criticism tonight?

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Oct 19, 2010 10:48pm
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Guitar god......no way! not even close.

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Poster: IT Expert Date: Oct 20, 2010 8:26am
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lol . . . :)

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Oct 20, 2010 10:26am
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hes a cheap rip off and is as inspiring as a fire hydrant...phish sucks .

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Oct 20, 2010 6:05am
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ya right dude. he's as good at guitar, and innovative, as anyone who's ever touched the instrument.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 20, 2010 10:31am
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"he's as good at guitar, and innovative, as anyone who's ever touched the instrument."

SERIOUSLY? Each to their own...

I do like this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wFs91qJaY

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Oct 19, 2010 6:10am
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I agree with the comment that Phish is mainly popular with kids that were too young to have seen the Dead when they were any good. Many of my close friends these days are five to ten years younger than I and most are big Phish fans as well as latter day Deadheads (having only been able to see a few 90s shows is why I call them latter day heads) so I agree there.

The only Phish I've ever enjoyed was the album Billy Breathes, particularly the songs "Free" and "Waste". I thought it was a great, very polished record. Of course all my friends tell me that Billy Breathes is widely considered the worst of all the Phish albums so it goes to show what I know about it.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Oct 19, 2010 6:33am
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Billy Breathes is my favorite Phish album. Others have more songs that may be great live, but in terms of a disc to listen to, that's long been my favorite.

Phish's big jam pieces have generally been less focused on the Americana side of things, though some recent compositions have brought that in a bit as well. I think, though, that the difference in their musical roots is part of why a lot of Deadheads aren't moved by Phish. Simply put, they're inspired by a different set of music (Yes, Talking Heads, Velvet Underground, etc.), though they clearly appreciate the way the Dead operated.

Basically, I don't want to cast Phish as a surrogate for Deadheads born too late. I'm 30, love both bands, and find Phish engaging in completely different ways than the Dead.

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Oct 19, 2010 7:51am
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Thanks, you're the first Phish fan that ever agreed with me about that album. I'm always laughed at for saying I liked it. I actually played the song Waste quite often with my band. I love that song, so lovely and there's wonderful opportunities for genuinely beautiful vocal harmonies.

That being said I've seen Phish three times locally and I have to agree with Cliff, nothing about those live performances moved me in any way. I looked around in wonder and amazement at the level of devotion some of those kids were displaying all around me to what sounded like the same three notes played over and over again for twenty minutes.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Oct 19, 2010 8:10am
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I also think "Theme From The Bottom" is pretty incredible on that album.

As for the live shows, I'm not one to argue about music, and I respect your experience of Phish. I don't subscribe to the pseudo-religious rhetoric that some use to describe their live shows, but I really dig some of their groove-based and atmospheric jamming, which sounds like the exact points that turned you off. Perhaps their earlier (pre-1996 or so) shows might sound better to you, but again, there's no creed that one has to sign off on- like the parts you like, and listen to what you like... like the Dead.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Oct 19, 2010 2:29pm
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That makes three of us. Billy Breathes is easily their strongest studio effort.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Oct 19, 2010 2:23am
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Phish is for the younger kids who didn't grow up Dead in the 60s and 70s. I heard a few bootleg tapes in the 90s; but never could get into it. The music didn't sound any better stoned. I found myself listening to String Cheese Incident, Railroad Earth and similiar bands instead...

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 18, 2010 7:08pm
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"Everything sounds exactly the same to me, and none of it any good. It's very repetitive and completely souless."

and I would add heartless as well..it is noise, and nerve racking noise at that

"trey anastasio's a guitar god"

very talented, though somewhat misguided

"no doubt about it"

The jury found him not guilty because there was a shadow of a doubt.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 19, 2010 12:29pm
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Wow . This is the whole movie . One of Hitchcock's best .

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7846687900796809157#



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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Oct 19, 2010 7:17am
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Hmmm... Not really the "pot-stirrin'" you had hoped for, was it?


TOOTMO

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 19, 2010 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

You ate my fractal ;)

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 19, 2010 9:56am
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Phish Heads Phish Heads,
roly-poly Phish Heads,
Phish Heads Phish Heads,
Eat Them up, Yum!!

Pretty funny vid clip by the way. How can you not love a Mumu wearing Drummer?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 19, 2010 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Phish?

What's there not to like about Big Black Furry Creature From Mars?

When I get home from work, what do I do?
I try to kill you
When I get home from work, what do I do?
I try to kill you

And why would I try to kill you?

Because you're a
Big black furry creature from Mars
Big black furry creature from Mars
Big black furry creature from Mars
Big black furry creature from Mars....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6Yhcu_vGzA
I enjoy some Phish on friday (nobodys perfect),

Roggae is a very sweet harmonic tune.

Check out the CD "Phish - A Live One" Lots of tracks from the 1994 Clifford Ball - top of their game imo

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 19, 2010 11:47am
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"What's there not to like about Big Black Furry Creature From Mars? "

don't mean to rain on your parade, but silly covers like this are one more reason i don't think phish is as good as The Dead. Think about the craft, emotion, and originality that GD puts into songs like Morning Dew, I Know You Rider and Goin' Down the Road...and then there's Phish with their ridiculous clover of Tubthumping and Will Smith's Gettin Jiggy With it from the Hampton Comes Alive CD...ugh. i realize it's a different approach to the music and the nature of the band is sillier and gimmicky, but i just think its dumb.

Phish has done some fine, fine covers though (who doesn't like Loving Cup or funky Bitch after all) and i aware that we could all do with a few less Me and My Uncles....

i'm totally with you on A Live One, i think its some of the best music they've ever done. those versions of YEM and Chalkdust are the ones that always ring in my head!

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 19, 2010 12:06pm
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What's there not to like about Big Black Furry Creature From Mars?
indeed, silly lyric's! I should have added this :-P